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by: Something The Dog Said

07/15/09 @ 12:42:19 PM MDT


One of the most pernicious frames the Republican Party and Grover Norquist have ever placed on our nation is this idea that the rich should not be taxed at much higher levels than the rest of the nation. This frame is so well placed it has become nearly and article of faith for the nation if we some how put a significant amount of tax on those who can most afford it this punishes the whole nation. The Dog thinks this is flatly insane.  
Something The Dog Said :: Time To Tax The Ultra Wealthy Appropriately
It is time to start talking about the fact we must tax the rich as a considerably higher level than we are now, if we are to get out of the mess we are in financially. It is not like we have not seen this kind of situation before and have not taken exactly that step. First a little history; during World War II our deficit was 30% of GDP, even given the differential between 1940's dollars and today's dollars that is a hell of a lot of money.

This is in a nation coming off the Great Depression as well, so there is a lot of money the Untied States had barrowed which had to be paid back. In order to do that, starting in 1951 all income over $300,000 was taxed at 90%. To be clear the income below that level was taxed at lower levels, based on our graduated income tax, so it was not like you were in a 25% tax rate up to that number and then bang, you are paying 90%. For each of the graduations you pay the rate up to a max, and then you pay a higher rate on income above that level and up to the next level.

In the 50's we had 24 graduated brackets. This allowed a higher and higher level of tax up to the 90% at $300,000 and above. Which makes plenty of sense, when you think about the fact the lowest bracket when from $0 to only $2000 and was at 22.2%. Everyone in the nation was paying to fund the cost of our war and our debt, as a nation should do, but everyone was paying according the amount of money they earned. Just to give you a little idea of how much $300,000 was in the '50's it would be equivalent to $6,390,000 (using a nominal GDP per capita calculation, you can find it here ).The Dog has to ask is there anyone out there who does not think people who make 6.3 million a year of more should not pay something above 50% on the money over that level?

Today we have only five tax brackets and they top out at 35% at 372,000. This is due to the Republicans for years claiming the tax code is too complex and when they go to reduce complexity, they do it not by eliminating tax credits or loopholes, but by cutting the number of brackets and bringing the brackets down. This has been going on for decades. As late as 1980 we had a 70% top rate at $215,000. During this same period of time we have seen money, private money, become a major factor in our political discussion with the founding of the Wingnut Welfare think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation. These combined with the self-funding candidates on the Right and Astroturf "public interest" groups have helped to keep the Conservative agenda sailing forward for far longer than it should have been able to.

So, we come to the place we are today, a nation with massive debt and a strong need to spend more money in order to provide what every industrial nation in the world but the United States provides, national health care for all its citizens. At the same time we have decades (since 1987 when the top tax rate fell to 28%) where the rich have been getting richer just because the nation no longer taxed at 50% in the top tax rate. This is no longer an acceptable state of affairs. We need to have the wealthiest Americans, who, lets face it get a disproportional amount of the benefit of being American, pay their fair share!

Lest anyone think we would be soaking these ultra wealthy, remember that if you had 5 million dollars in one place at one time, at 3% earnings in bonds it would return $150,000 a year. This is twice the median income in the nation at this time, so the Dog is pretty sure they could get by when they are earning 5 million every single year!

We have to be rational about our tax policy. Many people earning way above the cap the President has set for new taxes ($250,000 annually) will tell you they are paying too little. There are, of course many who will tell you they pay too much, but the reality is they do not, not even close to too much. We need go back to a tax system that does not have so many ways of cheating it. We need to reintroduce higher brackets above the ones that will come back into existence in 2010 and 2011. It is clear that cutting taxes and cutting taxes and cutting taxes is part of the reason we are in the hole we are in. This means we must recoup those taxes and do it for some time if we are to pay down our debt and get on firm financial footing.

That the ultra wealthy pay more for this is only fair, after all they got us in to this mess with policies they favored, and they got massively more wealthy doing it. The bill is due and they are the ones who should shoulder the load, just like the rest of their fellow citizens.

The floor is yours.

One house keeping note; all the tax rates for every year can be found at the Tax Foundation. Sure they are a conservative group, but they do provide good accurate date on the historical tax rates. They just draw the wrong conclusions form the data. You can find the tables for this article here.  

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This is by way of starting to think down the (4.00 / 1)
road. We can't support the nation currently on the level of income we are collecting from the top bracket. We need to start talking, writing and think about this, so we can be ready to push it through when the time comes.  

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David Harsanyi ain't gonna like this (4.00 / 1)
post of yours, Mr. The Dog Said.

Cry me a river. Shouldn't (0.00 / 0)
those that benefit the most from the infrastructure, the laws and the stability of the US pay the most?  

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[ Parent ]
I live to piss David Harsanyi off (4.00 / 1)
And yet we actually get along fine. And yes just the headline might cause him to have a thrombo. And yet:

Effective federal tax rates top 1 percent

Can't really argue that their taxes are crippling. The economy did pretty great when they were being taxes 1.5% more. But I predict he will.


[ Parent ]
That is not right (3.00 / 1)
How could any middle class or working class American in their right mind think that those figures are ok? Are people so ingrained to think taxation is horrible that they will resist a tax increase on the rich even if it makes health care a right?

I guess I just stopped feeling bad for rich people in this country a long time ago. Considering the state of the finances of the average American family, I don't understand how they could see a 1.5% increase as anything other than the right thing to do.


[ Parent ]
They Have Been Brainwashed (0.00 / 0)
Are people so ingrained to think taxation is horrible that they will resist a tax increase on the rich even if it makes health care a right?

Yes.

There is a misunderstanding among the R's that huge amounts of money are wasted on those who are not R's.  


[ Parent ]
Part of the political problem... (4.00 / 1)
is that 41% of Americans believe they are, or will one day be, in the top 1% of income earners.  The same percentage, by the way, that say they would vote for a qualified woman for president, believe the media exaggerates the dangers of climate change and want marijuana legalized.  Coincidence?

This dazzling self-delusion makes it difficult to make progressive income tax possible in the US.


Related (4.00 / 3)
A lot of people think their current tax burden is higher than it was a year ago and that's demonstrably false. You can't exactly call the populous idiotic, but they are a little odd.

[ Parent ]
Graphic of Top Tax Rates Since 1922 (4.00 / 1)
John Taplin at TPMcafe has this graph up

Note that the last time the US debt to GDP rate was at the proximate level as now, the top rate was above 80%.  Wouldn't a Martian say that there is something needing attention?


I'm all for shooting with both barels (0.00 / 0)
Just by letting bush's idiotic tax cuts expire,  perhaps just on the wealthy would not only pay for health care for everyone,  there would still be money left over for, I don't know, education,  inspectIng bridges,  building leves, and actually paying for,  not borrowing money to support our troops as they pull out of Iraq and concentrate on Afghanistan.

But the other barel is the effective tax rate.  Because of all the loopholes everyone in that upper bracket gets to take they almost always pay a lower percentage than those in lowest brackets.

Just making the ultra wealthy actually pay their fair share per the current tax bracket is a whole other story.    


and maybe just maybe (0.00 / 0)
There's an argument to be made that the ultra-wealthy who so benefited during the last few decades should start to help pay off the massive debt we've accumulated.  You know, the ones who hawked for war in Iraq, but lower taxes at the same time.  

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